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5:31:16 oni-on-ion Objects are interesting, but i've been wondering what "Subjects" would be like. modules perhaps?

5:31:40 loke oni-on-ion: that would be your code

5:31:53 oni-on-ion ACTION ponders

5:32:09 oni-on-ion so objects = data, subjects = code ?

5:32:23 logicmoo Logtalk might call those "protocals" as long as you didnt mean "Subject Predciate Object" :P

5:32:43 oni-on-ion oh traits / types ?

5:33:20 oni-on-ion well if Object were "addition" and Subject were "subtraction", perhaps. im not quite sure...

6:47:54 gabbiel can macros have setftability, or are only functions allowed to have setftability?

6:50:21 LdBeth gabbiel: you mean (setf macro-function) ?

7:29:18 beach gabbiel: I think you must give an example of what you think you can or can not do.

7:47:56 aeth gabbiel: the macro equivalent is defsetf iirc. Also, sometimes you get setf for "free" with a macro if e.g. you have a macro that expands to (aref foo 42) it will work as expected with setfs... iirc

7:48:44 aeth hmm, yes, defsetf supports functions or macros. http://www.lispworks.com/documentation/HyperSpec/Body/m_defset.htm

8:22:53 fivo scymtym: Good morning

8:23:24 fivo scymtym: Do you want to share your thoughts/ideas on macroexpansion with source location annotations?

8:36:19 scymtym fivo: hi. sorry, i'm super busy today

8:38:20 fivo scymtym: sure, no worries

8:39:15 fivo scymtym: do you want me to open a git issue, so you can reply when it suits you and we also have a better trace of the thing?

8:41:47 scymtym fivo: i'm not sure this is in scope for concrete-syntax-tree (if that's the project you wanted to create the issue in)

8:42:50 schweers Are macros at a toplevel somehow special? I have a macro which I have been using for a long time inside fiveam tests to setup my fixtures. I now tried to use this as a toplevel form in order to not run the test setup for every test case, and it doesn’t seem to macroexpand.

8:43:37 beach It should.

9:01:51 fivo scymtym: yes I was thinking of cst. Why do you think it's outside of its scope? The final output would be a cst of the expanded macro call.

9:02:11 fivo scymtym: anyways just let me know if you want to have a discussion on it somewhere

9:04:10 logicmoo oni-on-ion: he replied.. turns out to be religious reasons: https://gitter.im/LogtalkDotOrg/logtalk3

9:50:58 schweers Oh my. I had a typo in the macro name.

9:54:46 oni-on-ion ah wait didnt i mention "functional record update" ? o_o

9:56:03 beach schweers: You should have gotten a warning about an undefined function. No?

9:56:16 schweers If so, I didn’t see it.

9:56:24 beach Hmm.

9:57:17 beach I take my warnings very seriously, which is why I am a bit annoyed, when there are "note"s that I can't seem to avoid, because they force me to look at every compiler message to make sure I am not missing anything.

9:59:41 oni-on-ion is there a way [for sbcl] to treat warnings as errors? someone asked earlier

9:59:54 shka__ no

9:59:59 shka__ as far as i know

10:00:17 beach ASDF can do it though, as I recall.

10:00:30 shka__ oh, that's cool

10:01:09 beach asdf:*compile-file-failure-behavior* it seems

10:01:26 aeth Can it do it for warnings and not notes? Or is it for everything? Because some notes in SBCL seem literally impossible to avoid. Like "hey, if you change the semantics of your program, it's faster".

10:01:52 beach I set it to IGNORE when I had to compile huge sequence functions. I should set it back to whatever it was.

10:02:12 shka__ aeth: i think so

10:02:14 jackdaniel sbcl has muffle-warnings machinery

10:02:18 jackdaniel to filter what you are not interested in

10:02:30 oni-on-ion beach, ok, thats what i found earlier as well

10:03:01 beach jackdaniel: Can it filter notes?

10:03:15 beach jackdaniel: I am interested in every warning, but usually not in the notes.

10:03:32 jackdaniel afair it works on condition class basis

10:03:42 jackdaniel so if notes have their own class, then it should work

10:03:45 beach I might look into that.

10:04:03 jackdaniel beach: http://www.sbcl.org/manual/index.html#index-muffle_002dconditions

10:04:15 jackdaniel i.e (declaim (sb-ext:muffle-conditions sb-ext:compiler-note))

10:04:35 beach Thanks!

10:04:44 jackdaniel sure

10:05:14 aeth jackdaniel: oh cool, I guess I can locally declare a muffle for note in this one place that has to be both (speed 3) and a rational. thanks.

10:05:58 aeth (it's a typecase... the last, slow case is naturally something that SBCL's optimization notes don't like)